Don't let this happen to our citizens again!
Published Monday, May 08, 2006 by Singapore Election |
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If Mr. Lee Hsien Loong can have a slip of tongue regarding his intentions to 'fix' the Opposition MPs and 'buy' votes, which by the way is a bigger mistake especially during a General Election, but is able to let his Press Secretary make a public apology for him.
Yet, when it comes to Mr. James Gomez who has apologized most sincerely over his absent-mindedness, the PAP is undertaking criminal charges against him.
This is the hyprocrisy we're living through. It's not so much a huge deal when members of the PAP make 'mistakes', Mr. Lee Kuan Yew is able to forgive them. Yet, when it comes to everyone else out of that special loop, the Singapore citizens, we get charged, sued and humiliated in the media!
This is an outrage. This is not the workings of a 'first world government'.
BIG BULLEE AND MINI BULLEE ARE TOO MUCH!!!!! WHAT A 4TH WORLD GAHMEN. NOT EVEN 3RD WORLD CLASS.
The Opposition Parties must now all rush down to the police station, if they are not already there drinking coffee. Why? To make a police report againnst the 'fix' statement. If Gomez was making fun of the election process, then BG Lee was _________ with the constitution and violating a tenet of Democracy (the presence of opposition in parliament). In the pledge we say "...to build a democratic society based on justice and equality..." So to the suay judge who have to administer this case,_______________
* Fill in the blanks
YAH! MINI BULLEE'S SORRY ALSO SHOULD NOT COUNT!!!
Your title is appropriate...we should not let such matter happen again in Singapore...but what's the action plan? What do you propose us to do? would anyone from non-WP come out and mobilise supporters?
and, can citizens file police reports against LHL's "mistakes"?
My blood boils. Are we completely helpless?
and, can citizens file police reports against LHL's "mistakes"?
hehe, all go line up and file? maybe will snake queue up the police station
If any of us here still has a shred of conscience, we SHOULD do something for the Workers' Party.
This is really NO FUCKING joke, if this really goes thru(e.g JG and WP leaders all sued/detained/jailed for whatever fuck reason), then we are REALLY telling the ruling Govt that they ARE free to do whatever they want because every Singaporean is AFRAID to stand up even for a man who tried to STAND UP for the rights of his Singapore comrades!
What is Singapore really turning into!?
Shouldn't the Elections Department also be investigating a statement by a candidate that he buys votes? They are required to report that to the police as well.
As a citizen, I demand a public resolution of this serious incident.
Well, I for one wll stand up for LTK.
3RD WORLD GUTTER POLITICS! ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING. But WP will have to tread this ground carefully, otherwise it may not only be Gomez in trouble.
whats new. JBJ, CSJ, Francis Seow, Tang Liang Hong and now James Gomez. the shit thing is this is the most ridiculous one to date.
the PAP is on a fucking downward spiral! they're fucking pissed off that the opposition parties were able to garner so many support. now, they're acting like a death squad taking revenge on their citizens. just totally fucking third world, eh?
who dare to say LHL is buying votes? DEFAMATION!!!!!!!!! SUE!!!!!!!! DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
third world??!!!! third world???!!! u say LKY is a LIAR???!!!!! DEFAMATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DIE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
no, he's not fucking buying votes. he's fucking rigged the elections!
lee hsien loong is a fucking joke!
lee kuan yew is a fucking power-hungry grandpa!
By alert of any of the following:
1. Violation of Human Rights
2. Obstruction of Democracy
The United Nations(UN) will hold trial for all involved parties suspected of the above and tried as criminals, regardless of political standing within the country.
http://www.un.org/english/
If we try, we can all email to the UN to seek for a just trial for the arrest of JG, LTK + WP including a thorough investigation of the election department and its procedures.
All PAP lackeys, FUCK OFF! U are the ones who will suffer the karma.
The majority of Singaporeans has given a robust mandate for PAP. Thus, PAP can do whatever they wish. We cannot blame them for eliminating the opposition parties. We have to respect what a wise choice the majority has made.
u dare to say LHL rigged the elections?!!!! ok...this one is more than DEFAMATION. this one u will get a straight DEATH SENTENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
even LTK said the elections were fair!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2. obstruction of democracy?
let's see. the media refused to cover the opposition rallies. when they did talk about the opposition members, they used bad ligting, weird angles and made them look like hooligans. the media continued to report using such terms as 'deputy minster', 'prime minister' when the government was dissolved. the pap changed the rules before and during the election campaign: changed from dr. chee can't give public speeches to, he can't even talk to his supports at the rallies. the two lees continued to attack james gomez and the wp despite a public apology, and declared that if mr. gomez is not withdrawn, they'll take criminal charges. mr. lee said he was going to 'fix' opposition mps and buy 'votes'..
etc
etc
etc
i think all these qualify as 'obstruction to democracy'!
The Dynasty Is Coming To An End.
He just wants the people of Singapore to nail his coffin....maybe for his son too.
They know people are divided....now this
Pure Arrogant Act.
Should Be Stopped. Should Be Stopped...or we will be next...
Now, we wait for Mr Low to make his call for a protest rally...if need be..... .
LET US SEE...And Let The World Know...send this news everywhere...around the world....
Lee's Acts will stop investors to come here....
Singapore is going down....and we need to stop this...
accept that u lost. learn from ur mistakes. do better next time. just dun cry and whine about it.
we didn't fucking lose. the pap fucking stole our fucking votes! they're the fucking losers because once we raise up to their bullshit, they'll be the one crying!
and we're not crying, we're raising awareness to the injustice!
CNN's coverage on the election:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/05/07/singapore.ap/index.html
what the fuck u talking about. we are not fucking whining about the loss. we are talking about the detaining of James Gomez. if u genuinely made a mistake and some one keep harping on it and saying u trying to fix him and then makes a police report, how will u feel man.
Why have we lost? Let's not thread along party lines for this issue. If anyone has lost, its Singaporean at large. We have lost for I have lost all faith in the system. My children are not growing up in this environment. I guess like someone has said earlier, 2nd grade citzentry is still better than being repressed! I am so damn disillusioned!
it's the PAP that's fucking 'fixing' opposition mps, not the opposition mps 'fixing' the PAP!
"unfair" level playing field or not, losing is still losing. accept that. know that ur candidates will need to be twice as good as PAP candidates to win next time round to make up for the "unfair" playing field.
they wont even care if u leave. to them u are better gone. less one voice. less one dissenter. then they will have more yesmen.
please dont demonstrate. u will go to jail. its not worth it. theres nothing we can do now. u could have voted yday and oust the PM but now u must wait 5 years before u can take the party to task. i have nothing to say. i can only cry for james, sylvia and for spore.
Nullify GE2006 results!!! We demand a re-election!!! Down with PAP, LKY, GCT, LHL, WKS etc!!! Singaporean revolt!!! Thailand style!!!
just what's a 'dissenter'?
are you choosing to be their yesmen? mr. anonymous?
you're a fucking joke! you're just another scared singaporean citizen who's being treated like shit in your own country. the only difference between you and the rest of us is that you're willing to prostitute yourself to the pap and keep saying this mantra that, it's not the pap but your own useless self that is the cause of all the misery in your life.
wake the fuck up!
singapore revolt!
fuck the the third world government with a third world reponse!
If i am leaving, do you think I bother if they care for the fact that i am leaving. When they say PAP has grown bigger than Singapore, they are right. I'm starting to feel less attachment for my country, because of my growing resentment of the ruling party. Majulah Singapura!
let us all recite the pledge together....
LKY is a blood-thirsty faggot!!! May God has mercy on his soul.
singaporeans are fucking criminals in their own country! the government doesn't give two shites whether or not, you decide to waste away your miserable life under them. they will bring in the homeless folks from china and give them our jobs, and they will continue to make their 10 digits monthly salaries!
unless of course, you say something like .. the truth? then, they will give a lot of shites to bring you down!
If LKY is blood-thirsty, LHL could be ten-fold worse. Becareful...he is a heartless person who is not fit to be a PM..don't underestimate LHL. He is born under the sign of Dragon...
LKY is the founding father of singapore! he will receive the reward that he deserves!!!!!!!!
LHL is the PM of singapore! he should receive the respect he deserves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i vote for the opposition, but in this case i feel that its too much to make a joke out of it as this concerns our country future and U BETTER BE SURE HOW U FILL THE FORMS AND IF IT WAS SUBMITED!!!! (think of it this way, IF YOUR ARE REGISTERING FOR YOUR MARRIAGE WILL YOU TREAT THIS LIGHTLY AND FORGET TO SUBMIT THE FORM, BUT TELL YOUR WIFE TO BE U HAVE.:p
I await the day when the old tree withers and die, and disease returns to plague the young one...
Guys, dun start saying defamatory stuff here. Please make this a credible platform for intellectual discussion. Don't discredit the very platform that served us well during the election. Its not gonna help any cause!
curse others, and the curse will visit u. bless others, and u will receive blessings in return.
We need a reelection!
reelection ur head lah!!!!!!!!!!!!
we need to MOVE ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.un.org/english/
Will sanction works here? Will the world listen and help?
Way i see it, reform, help, or whatever you want to call it has to come from within....
Now if this were to happens, will the people unite? partake?
My opnion of my fellow country men (prob of no fault of their own) has been conditioned to fear, conform and accept for the sake of self interests, (in the case of this GE; very very much lack of) Will there be a movement?
Hmmmmmmm.......
'obstruction to democracy'
PM Lee's speech on how he needs to fix the opposition and buying votes, including how he conveniently can NOT know the actions taken by the Election Department SUFFICES as an obstruction to Democracy.
Even if you are UNABLE to get him on democracy obstruction, he will definitely get his ass burned for his treatment of JG and WP leaders under the UN Human Rights Act.
Go do your homework.
P.S. PAP Infiltrates/LHL's Sonor his whatever friend/ Grassroot Dogs please FUCK OFF!
Also, nice little titbit for you guys, this is the Year of the Dog, the Dog zodiac is the DIVINE ENEMY of the Dragon and this year is meant as an immensely BAD year for those of the Dragon zodiac. I am keeping my fingers crossed and my hopes up high.
PAP is behaving like a secret society.
Please, stop harping on the elections. This is about James Gomez and his detention. We do believe this is an excellent move: let's start a petition.
Anyone willing to spend some time crafting one? Singapore Election Watch will most definitely post it up and spread the word. It's time we do something for the people who have taken the hits for the betterment of our society. Indeed, it's time to let the PAP know what we really think of them officially.
Red Pill for me.
The petition sounds like a good idea. Whether or not it works, it will be nice to show some form of support. But I guess we should hang on and see how things unfold over the next few days?
Guys, Email the PAP now! The Home Affairs Minister Wong Kan Seng email is
wong_kan_seng@mha.gov.sg
and PM is lee_hsien_loong@pmo.gov.sg
cc your email to Low Thia Khiang if you wish.
ltk@wp.org.sg
You can email this:
Dear Sir,
I congratulate you for doing well in this election. However, we believe that you wanted to create an open and consultative society where every Singaporean matters. I also believe your education minister when he said in April for youths and Singaporeans to speak up and call for changes. We ask you to release James Gomez immediately and allow him his basic freedom of speech and movement as granted under the Singapore constitution. No matter what he did, you recieve your mandate from the people. I look forward to your reply. Thanks.
Best Regards,
Tan H.W.
ha.. singaporeans.. got screwed again.. if your life gets better in the next five years, with transport cost goes up, GST goes up, ERP goes up etc.. don't blame anyone but yourself, for not voting for the right party.
"COURAGE IS NOT THE ABSENCE OF FEAR. IT IS THE WILL TO ACT IN SPITE OF IT." - Quote by Mr LTK
Does LTK and the WP have the courage now to act and stand behind Gomez? Or will they sacrifice Gomez for political expediency?
First they came for JBJ and you didn't speak up.
Then they came for Tang Liang Hong and you didn't speak up.
Then they came for Dr Chee and you didn't speak up.
Next they came for Gomez and still you didn't speak up.
Then they come for me but by then there is no one left to speak up.
Oppositions, unite now and face the common enemy!
I do not wish to be under a leader who cannot protect and give credit to his own wife who gave birth to a child with special needs.
Well let's face it, spore is screwed by the Lees. Either do something about it, or get out.
Even if you belong to the minority opposition, you have to accept the rules and constitution they draw out. Otherwise, just leave the country. One of the reasons I left Singapore was because I did not wish to be under the reins of LHL and his family. I am not as idealistic and noble to become a bankrupt in the cause for fighting for human rights in Sg, when I can enjoy the riches here outside Singapore.
Can someone pls enlighten me on the purpose of word verification when I try to post? Does that mean I can be tracked?
Yes, I am the average coward, spineless Singaporean, have a voice but can't speak, living in FEAR.
Some messages were deleted from this forum!
this ain't a fucking forum
ISD does not come after ordinary Singaporeans. Please stop spreading this fear around
Regards.
Please refrain from spreading fear, intimidation and false rumours.
This is indeed a forum for Singaporeans to discuss on issues concerning us. God knows, the government won't!
Please make this memorable for everyone.
Better wait till this morning & discuss with WP before coming out with a petition. Just MHO.
Do they even read our petitions?
Have they ever acknowledged their existence?
Why should they care, we're just a handful of disgruntled people.
NKF=honest mistake (?)
GST 200 million error=honest mistake (?)
Elected Presidency=honestly no one
Higher Bus/MRt/PUB bills=honestly petrol price go up
Gomez=liar, dishonest ???
Come on lah...
We need and should let them know of our grievances regardless.
They ought be aware that they're abusing their authority, and Singaporeans will not just sit and watch through this again.
I hope to clarify something. The police report was lodged by the Elections Department, and it had nothing to do with the PAP. The Elections Department had lodged a police report on grounds of criminal intimidation, and the police will have to act on all reports.
I hope you write responsibly as a blogger, and not tarnish our names as the fourth estate. Do let the facts come before flaming. I may not support the PAP, but I believe in proper recourse of the law, especially if Gomez did act improper to the Election officials.
And you're certain the Election 'Department' in is independent of our government? Hell, we don't even have an independent judiciary!
Why did the Elections Department waited till after the polls to file this complaint?
Lets see this rationally here. I really prioritise blogger freedom, but some of this is geting rather irrational. In any case current proposals for a petition/re-election, or hell, revolution is out of the question.
What we can do however, is to let other Singaporean citizens see this for what this is: an unethical and immoral move on behalf of the PAP.
Today I hang my head in shame and I am ashamed to be a Singaporean.
ivan:
Ah! You're right, but the slippery part comes in the fact that the Elections Department comes under the Prime Minister's Office. We don't know if PAP has a hand in this, but it is indeed fishy as it follows a trend seen in past elections (though this time by a different "party"). I'd say we look at how things progress first, before making our conclusions.
Criminal intimidation? Someone must have not looked in the mirror for a long time.
This is totally disgusting.
Two honest mistakes, two apologises, two persons,one gets his liberty curtailed, the other gets elevated.
So much for "every Singporean Count". They must have omitted the other part "some count more than others".
So much for 'Staying Ahead, Moving Together' when all I see are people who are struggling to keep up.
What the PAP means by moving ahead is that everyone should be quiet and go about their business while they "fix" the Workers Party
To those who are alleging that certain posts are spreading fear(I understand that to mean causing/influencing another to feel afraid), you have a serious problem.
I believe most are honest self expressions with no intention whatsoever to generate fear.
If you feel afraid/intimidated reading postings from here, do yourself a favor and stop reading.
Perhaps you are suggesting that the average dude reading the posts can be and will be influenced/ affected by what's written by another because they lacked the facaulties to judge and think for themselves? Or are you suggesting that this forum does not want to hear expressions of personal thoughts because it may mislead others and cause fear?
Hm....very paternalistic...perhaps you would like to advise and ellaborate on guildlines? What can be said and what can't?
ISD does not come after ordinary Singaporeans....please define extraordinary Singaporeans.
If everyone thinks like you, perhaps the Singaporean society is indeed not ready for freedom of expressions.
As posted previously, the election department should be make an independent entity... it appears that the goverment knows the voting patterns and I am not surprise esp the GRC are designed to have these outcomes (49% at most for any GRC). And why should I think so? Look at how we are directed to individual boxes at the polling centres, these boxes can divide the voters into blocks/age/etc... that are statistically important to them.
Since voting patterns will not change much and ppl dont move house that often, for example they can group those areas that previously supported them 80% into a GRC. Even there is a swing, there is at least a 30% margin of safety. No surprise how the GRCs boundaries are drawn to facilitate that.
I think the election department should be make independent
Know that anonymity on the Internet may just be an illusion.
jame gomes ,u are a dead meat now!!!!
An independent and just judiciary, an independent press, an independent electoral department...
Just what the stuff dreams are made of.
Election is over and done. What can we do... now that PAP has come into power once again.
With Singaporeans having short memory, it's no surprise that PAP is now out to destroy Workers' Party before the next election. And when it finally come, with Progress Package, Singapaoreans happily deposit their money and vote for PAP again. And everyone will forget about Gomez issue.
Everyone has forgotten about NKF saga, Tharman's big mistake but remember Steve Chia's unforgiven mistake. Singaporeans are so forgiven on big issue but unforgiven on small issue. Where our yellow ribbons!!
Just let all Singaporeans rot to hell. Singaporeans are indeed very stupid!!
"fix" has a nasty/bad connotation, threatening/intimidating too which one normally hears in movies depicting gangsters, triad. If a head of state can apologise n pardon himself , why can't the grand old man be more magnimous n let to rest..After all u n yr men had admonished, ridiculed and rebuked Gomez for this saga whether he's guilty or innocent. By the way can PAP stop all this name calling -Wayang Party /condescending attitude. it's repulsive/distasteful. Learn from LTK !
Khaw Boon Wan said as a buddhist," do bad things such as lying, etc.., next life become cockroach" He should include criminal intimidation and preached to his bosses instead.
I have never had a prob with George Yeo's team. Cynthia Phua was a nice lady - seemed sincere and warm personality in the few occasions I hv met her. Up to last Sun -i never had any doubt who I was going to vote for. But then came along the JGgate. My curiosity was piqued seeing the force with which PAP topguns were gunning for JG relentlessly. That got me intrigued. Intrigue soon changed to distaste and disbelief at seeing the leaders getting petty. The rest is history. You can guess who I would have voted for.
Demand for FIRST CLASS justice!!!! shame on PAP. i feel disgusted to be under the ruling of such depicable(quoted from mrs chiam see tong) govt. Pui!
To be fair, I also pity the elections department staff. If the thing goes to court, the elections staff have to describe how they lost sleep, had nightmares, lost confidence etc due to JG intimidating them with the "consequences".
In future, the elections dept should send all their staff for counselling and courses to prepare them for candidates who are out to intimindate them. Maybe also learn self-defence skills. Wah, didn't know working in elections department worse then working at MRT station. MRT station got so many people passing and KPKB but no reported intimidation that are publicised widely. I think we should have a petition to increase the elections department salary. Else, who want to work there.
cancel your usbscription to the Straits Times... enough people do that...advertisers will start getting angry...ST starts panicking...something may just happen.
It is no issue at all, if ED were to acknowledge receipt of the form.
ED partly at fault. Cannot put the entire blame on JG.
It is not a matter of life and death. To err is human to forgive divine.
PAP is corrupting .. Singaporeans please wake up
Boycotting the Straits Times...? Now there's a new idea....
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LEe Ao say Singaporeans stupid, bad breed....how come no actions against him? Gahmen ppl not singaporeans meh? Nah beh only know how to bully own ppl. more i think more i tulan.
Aiyah...end of the day blame singaporeans bo ji, bo nao, bo LP. very soon fuckin' kidneys also gone..
Some alleged that there are fraud being committed during the election counting process. Although it is highly suspect, I don't think so.
Anyway, suing for such a MINOR thing while LKY, LHL and all others apparently made much MORE defamatory remarks.
Am I living in NORTH KOREA? Sorry North Koreans, I don't know how it's like, but I don't think it's very different from Singapore.
A case of a First World Economy governed by a self proclaimed 'First World Government' resorting to Third World political means. Guess what...they were voted in by a sorry bunch of gutless Singaporeans on 6 May 2006.
Can the http://multimedia.asiaone.com.sg/
actually broadcast telephone conversations without permission of Jaems Gomez or even recording it without telling him?
I think the "evidence" however light it may be, is not admissible in court. Is it?
In this case, James Gomez set an example and apologised himself without calling his assistant to do it for him. That is setting good example for others to follow. Shouldnt our leaders be a good example for our students to follow. If we keep badgering about mistakes we make about lying and forgetting to do things, how can we progress in life? Isnt forgive and forget something everyone should have. Dont treat people like they are perfect cause nobody is.
WE'RE LIVING IN COMMUNIST COUNTRY.
Eh? This is neither the work of a communists regime. Even the Chinese would disregard the matter and move the fuck on! Fidel Castro must be laughing at us, too!
next election only one grc whole singapore better for PAP
in a communist country, JG would have been jailed and/or tortured and/or executed already.
PAP I only know the old guards Goh Keng Swee, Raja,Toh Chin Chai, They really take care of our needs, I miss out LKY because Now he still in power so i know you know.
Some people are selling his merchandise liao... :D
http://www.cafepress.com/freegomez
Does anyone of you know the real reason why Dr Goh Keng Swee left Singapore?
Need some legal advise, if the voters decision on who to vote are affected by the word "fix" by LSL, is there a stand to sue him?
An American tourist was visiting a temple in Singapore when he noticed two statues of a man and a woman by the altar.
He asked the monk what was the significance of the two. The monk explained that in the Chinese system of yin and yang, positives must always be balanced by negatives, and having the two statues ensured that the universal balance was maintained.
"This statue of the woman is the Goddess of Mercy, Kuan-Yin."
"What about the other one?" asked the tourist.
In a hushed voice, the monk said, "This one is the God of No Mercy, Kuan-Yew."
to blogger 9:31AM: Why???
Do not agree that communist countries will execute JG or anyone so easily as the blogger is suggesting. The communist will let you go if you sign a "self-criticism" letter acknowlging your mistakes and willing to go for re-education (brain-washing)and don't get involve in opposition politic again. But not in Singapore, it is a very vicious system. Sorry is not enough. It is worst than outright execution because that will make martyr out of that individual. It is a slow and painful, bankrupt you financially, socially, etc. all in the name of integrity and high standard. What is the motive for doing this? You and me know. This is why I do not agree with those who sincerely joint pap and hope to change things from being inside. Fat hope as long as MM is alive which I believe is reason why so many leave after first term. Those who stayed will ultimately be mould to be like him. They will talk about "passion" and "survival" for the country but short on "compassion" and "feeling" for the people. To be honest, pap lost this election if you minus the votes of the "fearfuls" whereas practicall all votes for opps are solid support votes.
"... sorry? sorry oso muz exprain! ... "
we can perhaps minus all the fearful vote by trying to get a figure of the civil servants who get to vote this time round...
just a suggestion =) does anyone has the figures?
Such figures are hard to get as many will disavow any knowledge or admittance of voting for theopposition. I know there are many closet WP sympatizers. Being in the civil service myself, I'd say it'll probably be around 1 of 3. :)
Dr Goh's case is too sensitive to be discussed. Serious!
He is in Shanghai, perhaps might be living in another area now!
Since Dr Goh's case is sensitive, is there a blog or article in oversea that I can read as I am not station in Singapore.
I am afraid this is not one...that I know of...
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The abuse of the word "communist" is rather misconceptuous, because totalitarianism or the Soviet structure is not necessarily equated with all communist-favoured administrations (ie. especially the libertarian communists or the anarchist communists).
Besides, isn't the Communist Party of India a major opposition party anyway?
The key here is that it is probably no better than the democracy existing in the United States during the era of Tammany Hall.
why is the PM so high class? that he cannot do a sincere apology himself?
"whats new. JBJ, CSJ, Francis Seow, Tang Liang Hong and now James Gomez. the shit thing is this is the most ridiculous one to date"
one more to add.... the malay WP candiate, Mohamed Jufrie Mahmood for Eunos, remember the phrase 'korang hajar'? that was a close call too!
What exactly happened to Dr Goh. Pls enlighten us. Thanks.